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    US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:33 pm

    We too have our terrorists. The Contras in Nicaragua carried out, with funding from Washington, some of the most egregious human rights violations in Central America, yet were lauded as "freedom fighters." Jonas Savimbi, the rebel leader the United States backed in Angola's civil war, murdered and tortured with a barbarity that far outstripped the Taliban. The rebellion Savimbi began in 1975 resulted in more than 5oo,ooo dead. President Ronald Reagan called Savimbi the Abraham Lincoln of Angola, although he littered the country with land mines, once bombed a Red Cross-run factory making artificial legs for victims of those mines, and pummeled a rival's wife and children to death. The mayhem and blood-letting we backed in Angola were copied in many parts of Africa, including Zaire and Liberia.


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:48 pm

    I have heard Israeli settlers on the West Bank, for example, argue that Palestinian towns, towns that have been Muslim since the seventh century, belong to them because it says so in the Bible.


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by Ace on Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:54 pm

    State where are these comments are coming from, who said them, and show proof.

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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:04 pm

    "War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning" by Chris Hedges.

    I can't exactly show proof since you'll need to buy the book.


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by Ace on Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:32 pm

    Eh, good enough.

    For one, did America know what Jonas Savimbi was doing during the time America backed him? As for the second post, that's just over-religious fools being fools...

    By the way, I thought back then land was regarded as God's property, and people were simply borrowing it for their own use. I'm not sure if Jews practiced that, though.

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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:58 pm

    Yes America knew.


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by Dark Flame99966 on Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:59 pm

    By the way, I thought back then land was regarded as God's property, and people were simply borrowing it for their own use. I'm not sure if Jews practiced that, though.

    The West never practiced that. In fact it could be argued that only black Africans and Native Americans ever did believe tat.

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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by Aphrodisiac on Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:01 pm

    Dark Flame99966 wrote:
    By the way, I thought back then land was regarded as God's property, and people were simply borrowing it for their own use. I'm not sure if Jews practiced that, though.

    The West never practiced that. In fact it could be argued that only black Africans and Native Americans ever did believe tat.

    Ye flame is right :L


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:05 pm

    To speak of the Israeli war of independence with many Israelis, in which stateless European Jews established a country in a land that had been primarily Muslim since the seventh century, is to shout into a vast black hole. There is an emotional barrier, a desire not to tarnish the creation myth, which makes it difficult for many Israeli Jews, including some of the most liberal and progressive, to acknowledge the profound injustice the creation of the state of Israel meant for Palestinians. As Americans we struggle with these myths as well, only grudgingly conceding that many of our founding fathers were slave owners and much of our nation acquired after a genocidal campaign against Native Americans.


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:08 pm

    In peacetime this collective amnesia is challenged by a few intrepid scholars. Indeed, some of the best scholarly work on the 1948 war and what it meant for the Palestinians has come from Israeli historians-but their voices are muted or silenced in times of crisis. Our own nation is no different. We embrace gross and overtly racist notions of Islam that paint all Muslims as having a tendency to violence, anger, antimodernism, and close-mindedness. Questioning of the nationalist line, or an attempt to address historical injustices committed by us against our foes, is branded unpatriotic, intellectual treason, just as it was in Argentina in 1982.


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:15 am

    The fervent drive for "authenticity" leads nationalist leaders to use a variety of disciplines to promote and legitimize the cause. In Israel the
    mania for archeology, for excavating ancient Jewish ruins, is a way of legitimizing the presence of Jews in what was once Palestine. These sites
    are given a prominence out of proportion to the multitude of other ruins that are not Jewish in character.


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:19 am

    The city of Mostar in Bosnia was the scene of some of the most savage fighting of the war. The eastern Muslim section was surrounded and
    heavily shelled by the Bosnian Croats. The town owed its name, "Bridge-keeper," to an elegant, arched Ottoman bridge built in 1566 to join the
    banks of the Neretva River. The city, a quaint example of Ottoman architecture, was dotted with cobblestone alleys, stone houses, spindly minarets,
    the Catholic campanile, and Orthodox steeples.


    But Croatian commanders, intent on wiping out what was the heart of the city, blasted the bridge for two days in November 1993 until it tumbled
    into the river. It, like the Moorishrevival library in Sarajevo, which was bombarded for three days by Serbian incendiary bombs in the summer of
    1992, was a cultural symbol that did not fit with the narrative of Serbian or Croatian nationalists. It was part of the assault against all cultural icons
    that spoke of the plurality of peoples in Mostar and Sarajevo.


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:25 am

    In Bosnia the Serbs, desperately trying to deny the Muslim character of Bosnia, dynamited or plowed over libraries, museums, universities,
    historic monuments, and cemeteries, but most of all mosques.


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:27 am

    The town of Zvornik in Serb-held Bosnia once had a dozen mosques. The 1991 census listed 6o percent of its residents as Muslim Slavs. By the
    end of the war the town was ioo percent Serb. Branko Grujic, the Serb-appointed mayor, informed us: "There never were any mosques in Zvornik."


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    Re: US/israeli/Serbian Terrorists

    Post by L on Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:32 am

    Israel, despite efforts in secular state schools
    to present a more balanced view of Arab history, allows state-funded religious schools to preach that Jewish rule should extend from the Nile in Egypt to the Euphrates in Iraq and that the kingdom of Jordan is occupied Jewish land.'


    Hilarious


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